>> i'm not actually sure it's in washington. i think it's from a deeper cultural problem. i'm struck by in this election now it was possible to lie without any negative consequences for both parties. that's a national problem. people weren't willing to punish candidates on their own side for lying we have to have a different attitude toward death as far as taxes, you have to be willing to pay for the government you want and the american people are not right now. so while i agree all the innovation is going on around the country, america is still america, we're s alexis detoqueville's country, we have a great higher education system, i still think there are certain cultural problems with the country that we haven't faced. one of them meacham mentioned -- jon mentioned the word followership. we've become much too cynical about government. people in the 1920s, 1930s, 1880s were not confronted with magical great government but they had faith in it. now we think we're better than whoever it is that happens to be governing us. >> i want to pick up something david says. i don't h